The Humorous Christian Sub-Culture

Jul 11, 2008

Prodigal John
A few months ago I was introduced to the very funny Stuff White People Like, just now released as a book.

Last week I was introduced to the also very funny, and unashamedly copycat, Stuff Christians Like. Written by a very talented advertising copywriter with the nom de plume of “Prodigal John”, his description of the Christian subculture is sure to hit your funny bone.

Here is an extract from one of his recent gems:

#332. That dude with the guitar at camp.

Put it down dude. Seriously, you know who you are. I went to camp with you. I went on a lot of church retreats with you. And some how, you even ended up living on the same floor as me freshman year of college.

I get it, you own an acoustic guitar. You put stickers of bands I have never heard on the outside of your guitar case. You have an interesting guitar strap. You are moody and introspective and somehow when you combine that guitar with the three songs you know and a campfire, every girl on the planet wants to sit near you. Are you kidding me?…

Your instrument isn’t even in tune but that doesn’t matter does it dude with the guitar? Because it’s more about the image, not the music. And what really gets me is that you’re going to play a song at youth Sunday this year and people are going to tell you that you should be a worship leader. Hearing that is going to make you start wearing product in your hair and rocking a white belt and when I walk to class at college you’ll be sitting on the steps of our dorm with a girl that is way too pretty to talk to me singing, “How great is our God.” And when she asks you, “Where did you learn to play like that?” You’ll respond by saying, “I just listen to my heart.” You are my archenemy dude with the guitar at camp.

I am going to steal your guitar and replace it with those big hand bells and the white gloves that handbellers (or is it just ‘bellers’) wear. Let’s see how easy it is to get girls to go on dates to Outback Steakhouse when all you have to play is a gigantic bell.

Check him out. You won’t regret it.


The Problems faced by Bible Translators – 1 Timothy 3:2

Jul 10, 2008

How do Bible translators come up with some of the varying translations? I have been involved in quite an interesting discussion at www.internetmonk.com (reproduced below) on the various translations and have got involved in quite a debate concerning how certain verses should be translated.

I would like to know what you think. Read through the debate. Feel free to add comments that might help our understanding of the issues, especially if you have some aptitude in the original languages or you have done some translation work.

Then, based on what you have read, answer the poll.

Here then, is the interchange of ideas that has occurred so far:

Adam wrote:

Ummm…ever come across people in a conversation and find yourself in way, way, way over your head? Kinda like walking on on a conversation between Stephen Hawking and John Polkinghorne….and the only thing you can contribute is something you heard on NOVA. ‘Bout how I feel after reading the comments…..”dynamic equivalance”…huh?….I couldn’t seem to find it in my concordance :) . I stumbled across this blog from Steve Brown’s site.

I was never quite aware of the polarity involved in my choice of Bible (e.g. conservative, liberal, independent?). Sure, I’d heard stories of folks who touted the KJV only, but I never really met any of them. To be honest, I wouldn’t know any of the names of any of the translators. I usually just read the first one I happen to grab…sometimes NIV…other times NLT……when I’m curious about what a particular word might have been, I click over to Strong’s KJV.

Keep in mind, my simple-minded approach comes from someone who has never been to seminary, never preached a sermon, and never taught a Sunday school class. So maybe I’m just not as sensitive to these “battles’ that rage within Christendom. Perhaps this ‘controversy’ is really more notieceable to those that do the studying(in seminary), teaching, and preaching. I see similar ‘battles’ in about any field of study…to those within the particular field they folks seem to enjoy the debating and arguing with their colleagues. To those outside the more academic nature of any given field-of-study the ‘battles’ and debates remain largely unseen.

But what do I know, I’ll just keep reading anyway.

Eclectic Christian responded:

Great post, and great comments too!

To Adam who was wondering about “dynamic equivalence”, here is an example that I always liked.

Let’s say that you are translating the Bible for a fairly primitive tribe, like my Grandfather did some 50 years ago. You come to the verse “Behold I stand at the door and knock.” Wait a minute, you have a problem, the culture to which you are communicating has no doors. What do you do? Try and explain the concept of door in your translation or use the dynamic equivalent, “Look, I am standing outside your hut and calling loudly!” This is the sort of the issue faced by the translator.

But then you have a further problem. A subset of the group that you are translating for does not use the word for “hut” that the majority does. They use a different word, lets call it “home”, which the majority also understand but in a slightly different way that is intended in the original Greek. So do you go with “hut”, a word not understood by some of your readers, or “home” a word understood by all, but some will have a slightly different understanding of it.

These are not easy choices for the translators to make. My Grandfather, using a manual typewriter, ended up having to type out the entire Bible seven times before he had a version of the Bible that understandable by all of his intended audience, and was able to be published!

A couple of unrelated comments on the NRSV. It has been unfairly called a liberal translation because of its use of gender inclusive language. I would like to note that the gender inclusive language is only used of humans, and never of God. Also the gender inclusive language is only used when the audience is clearly both men and women. If that makes a translation liberal then I guess I am a liberal. Boy is my wife going to be surprised!

I should also note that the NRSV is popular among Greek and Hebrew professors as it tends to be low on the dynamic equivalence scale and as such is closer to the original languages. (This at least has been my experience.)

Finally I will leave you with this thought. If Hermeneutics is the science of Biblical interpretation, would a gender inclusive science of Biblical interpretation be called Hiswomeneutics??? :)

David A. Booth joined the debate. He wrote:

Michael Bell,

It isn’t true that the NRSV uses gender inclusive language only when the audience is clearly both men and women.

For example, in 1 Timothy 3:2 the NRSV reads “married only once” where the Greek says “husband of one wife”. Whether or not someone thinks that this is what 1 Timothy 3:2 “means” – it is by no means self-evident that Paul could not be referring to male only Bishops.

David

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Which Bible Version is Best?

Jul 9, 2008

Michael SpencerWondering what Bible translation you should use. Michael Spencer has a great post with a lot of good responses talking about Bible versions. Seems like Michael is partial to a whole bunch! You can read it at www.internetmonk.com

As an eclectic Christian I am always on the lookout for posts that take an objective look at subjects of interests to Christians, and generally favour those which speak in positive terms. If you aware of other posts like this, please let me know, by adding a comment.


Can I wear Jeans? Discovering church dress code

Jul 8, 2008

JeansA number of years ago I was on holiday in the Tampa Bay area. On Sunday morning we decided to go to the closest Evangelical church to the beach. I said to myself, “It is so hot out, I would really like to wear shorts this morning.” I did have nice pleated shorts with me at the time. The problem was, I did not know if shorts would be acceptable attire in this church. “Surely”, I thought, “being so close to the beach they would want to reach out to the beach crowd and help to make them feel at home in the church.” In the end, however, discretion won out, and I wore dress pants to the church. As it turns out, not only was dress pants the right choice for this congregation, but I was practically the only one there NOT wearing a jacket and tie.

Now here is a site that would have come in handy back then. In the category of “I wish I had thought about it first”, is a new blog dedicated to reviews of churches. This one, is a little bit different from most in that it seeks to ask questions that aren’t usually answered on church websites. (Assuming churches have one.) It’s name, Can I Wear Jeans is taken from one of the review questions.

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Faces of Christ

Jul 6, 2008

A post at jesusshaped.wordpress.com encouraged me to do some digging to see what I could find for different pictorial representations of Christ. This one was the coolest that I could find. It shows many different views of Jesus morphing from one to the next.

If you have a high speed connection you might also be interested in downloading a second video. (It is 8 megabytes in size.) This quicktime video shows Jesus as he has been depicted chronologically through the centuries.

Here is what the original artist of the second video had to say:

The inspiration came from an installation artist i knew in Hamburg. It followed one of his rambled musings: that throughout the centuries, artists have created many representations of Jesus. We all have a different mental picture of what Christ looks like. Yet the same eyes are always looking back at us. So fixing his eyes as the focal point, i used a morphing software to blend between various images of Christ. Chronologically they go from the 6th Century mosaic to a 1998 artwork.


A Tool for Measuring Church Growth

Jul 4, 2008

CMA growth legend Here is another useful tool for viewing denominational growth. The maps below are from The Association for Religion Data Archives and represent the percentage of the U.S. population in 1980, 1990, and 2000, who belonged to the Christian and Missionary Alliance. The tool lets you zoom in on particular areas and get reports on over 100 denominations and religious groups. You can see at a glance from the maps below that the Alliance had significant growth in the three state area of Wyoming, Colorado, and Utah. (continued below maps…)

CMA growth 1980

CMA growth 1990

CMA growth 2000

The tools can helpful in that a denomination can say, “OK, we are growing in Wyoming. Lets zoom in on Wyoming, and see where in particular that growth is coming from.” Then we can ask the question, “What have we done well over the past twenty to thirty years in that region that has led to that growth? Is it something that can be duplicated elsewhere?”

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A Drama for your Easter Service

Jul 4, 2008

Michael SpencerMichael Spencer has written a very touching monologue about how Peter must have felt after betraying Jesus three times. It would be perfect as a short introduction to a related message as part of an Easter service. You can read it at JesusShaped.wordpress.com






You can thank me later for the watercolour Michael!


A Challenge to Fellow Bloggers – Focus on the Positive

Jul 2, 2008

Although I am fairly new to blogging (four month), I have been doing it long enough to see some disturbing patterns. The pattern that gives me the most concern is the tendency to criticize others theology or practice of faith.

In just the last few weeks I have had my somewhat baptistic view of communion called “inadequate” and “profane”. I have had my preferred style of worship (contemporary) referred to as “happy-clappy”, “Jesus-is-my-boyfriend”, and described as “Christian pornography” (because of its experiential nature.)

The other disturbing aspect of this trend was how many people were willing to support this type of blogging. I found several links to the “worship equals Christian pornography” posting, many of whom had made the title more explicit and labeled as a “must read”.

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