Comments on: Reflections on the Deity of Christ – Jesus is not the Father http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/ Learning to appreciate the many different facets of Christianity Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:13:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Reflections on the Deity of Christ - The Image of God « Eclectic Christian http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-472 Reflections on the Deity of Christ - The Image of God « Eclectic Christian Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:29:13 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-472 [...] back to our triangle diagram and imagine that the only part of the diagram that you can see is the part that says [...] [...] back to our triangle diagram and imagine that the only part of the diagram that you can see is the part that says [...]

]]> By: willohroots http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-466 willohroots Tue, 20 Jan 2009 03:09:59 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-466 I like the triangle chart thing. that is helpful. I have preached the h2o analogy cynthis mentioned. I use a pitcher of water a block of Ice and a steam iron. People said it helped. I am looking forward to the series! I like the triangle chart thing. that is helpful. I have preached the h2o analogy cynthis mentioned. I use a pitcher of water a block of Ice and a steam iron. People said it helped. I am looking forward to the series!

]]> By: Eclectic Christian http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-465 Eclectic Christian Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:09:33 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-465 Hi Mike, As we go through the series, especially towards the end, we will explain the importance of it. Mike Bell Hi Mike,

As we go through the series, especially towards the end, we will explain the importance of it.

Mike Bell

]]> By: mikelioso http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-464 mikelioso Mon, 19 Jan 2009 19:04:57 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-464 What a thorny topic. Personally I don't put a lot of importance on subjects that require so much explaining. Not that I'm against explaining them, I always enjoy speculation on difficult matters, but I don't think they matter toward salvation. I found reading Plato, Philo of Alexandria, and a few other Helenistic philosophers helpfull. They set up the frame work for formulating the Trinity. I don't think anyone will fully explain or define the roles of the beings in the trinity. It is a simpler idea though than the Kabalaist Tree of Life, I think that one has like 12 persons. What a thorny topic. Personally I don’t put a lot of importance on subjects that require so much explaining. Not that I’m against explaining them, I always enjoy speculation on difficult matters, but I don’t think they matter toward salvation. I found reading Plato, Philo of Alexandria, and a few other Helenistic philosophers helpfull. They set up the frame work for formulating the Trinity. I don’t think anyone will fully explain or define the roles of the beings in the trinity. It is a simpler idea though than the Kabalaist Tree of Life, I think that one has like 12 persons.

]]> By: Cynthia http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-463 Cynthia Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:38:26 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-463 :) I am enjoying the dialogue with Josh...lots of food for thought! :) I am enjoying the dialogue with Josh…lots of food for thought!

]]> By: Josh http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-462 Josh Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:16:00 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-462 Oops. Like I said, it's been a while since one of these Trinity discussions and sometimes those seminary words sneak into otherwise regular speech. My apologies--whom should I speak to about penance? Oops. Like I said, it’s been a while since one of these Trinity discussions and sometimes those seminary words sneak into otherwise regular speech.

My apologies–whom should I speak to about penance?

]]> By: Eclectic Christian http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-461 Eclectic Christian Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:04:49 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-461 Perichoretic??? You get a virtual slap on the wrist, for using an obscure term without explaining it! For the rest of us, perichoretic has to do with the interdependence and intertwining of the Trinity. When posting about the interdependence of the Trinity I will post a graphic that helps illustrate it. Perichoretic??? You get a virtual slap on the wrist, for using an obscure term without explaining it! For the rest of us, perichoretic has to do with the interdependence and intertwining of the Trinity. When posting about the interdependence of the Trinity I will post a graphic that helps illustrate it.

]]> By: Josh http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-460 Josh Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:08:15 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-460 My issue isn't a big one--it's largely semantic--but I think that the river analogy (though one of the better analogies I've heard) tends to suggest too much distinction between the coequal and perichoretic persons of the Triune God. I look forward to new parts of the series--I've not had a real in depth discussion of Trinitarian theology since div school. My issue isn’t a big one–it’s largely semantic–but I think that the river analogy (though one of the better analogies I’ve heard) tends to suggest too much distinction between the coequal and perichoretic persons of the Triune God. I look forward to new parts of the series–I’ve not had a real in depth discussion of Trinitarian theology since div school.

]]> By: Eclectic Christian http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-459 Eclectic Christian Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:04:30 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-459 Josh, I agree with you totally. I think we are starting to jump ahead a bit. For example when I talk about Salvation, I want to show how both Son and Father are called Saviour. (Notice the extra "U" in Canadian English). Their role in salvation is quite different though... but we will get there eventually. Still don't fully get your river concerns. The source is not the delta, and is not the meandering middle, but both are involved in bringing life to a parched land. Just like the Spirit, is not the Father, and is not the Son, but all are involved in bringing Salvation life to us. Josh,

I agree with you totally. I think we are starting to jump ahead a bit. For example when I talk about Salvation, I want to show how both Son and Father are called Saviour. (Notice the extra “U” in Canadian English). Their role in salvation is quite different though… but we will get there eventually.

Still don’t fully get your river concerns. The source is not the delta, and is not the meandering middle, but both are involved in bringing life to a parched land. Just like the Spirit, is not the Father, and is not the Son, but all are involved in bringing Salvation life to us.

]]> By: Josh http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/01/14/reflections-on-the-deity-of-christ-jesus-is-not-the-father/#comment-458 Josh Fri, 16 Jan 2009 18:49:10 +0000 http://eclecticchristian.com/?p=596#comment-458 But, we err in our thinking even if we go so far as to say that "Jesus is the savior" to the exclusion of the Father and the Spirit. All three persons are involved in every work of the Triune Godhead or we have created modes of existence. My objection to the river analogy is, in essence, that it assumes too much distinction between the three persons...the part of the river that is the source is not also the part that is the delta but the Spirit is as much the Creator or the Redeemer as the other persons. But, we err in our thinking even if we go so far as to say that “Jesus is the savior” to the exclusion of the Father and the Spirit. All three persons are involved in every work of the Triune Godhead or we have created modes of existence. My objection to the river analogy is, in essence, that it assumes too much distinction between the three persons…the part of the river that is the source is not also the part that is the delta but the Spirit is as much the Creator or the Redeemer as the other persons.

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