New song – I Will Follow

Aug 24, 2008

I was privileged to be asked to collaborate on this new song by Peter Heath, one of Eclectic Christian’s guest bloggers. Peter and I did some song writing together 25 years ago. I wish I was the wordsmith that he is. Here is “I Will Follow”. It is still in a fairly unpolished form but has some great potential, especially for congregational singing.

Have a listen and let me know what you think.

I Will Follow – MP3

I Will Follow – Peter Heath

1. You lift me up to the mountain
Overwhelm with Your wonders
You rescue me from the pit
And give me strength to stand.
Day by day You have met me here
Day and night You have held my hand
So lead me on, lead me on

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Minimizing Christianity to the Glory of God

Aug 8, 2008

A Guest Blog by ~ C Michael Patton ~

The following is a posting by C Michael Patton from Parchment and Pen that he has graciously allowed Eclectic Christian to repost here. I feel as if his “Centralist” position is one that really underlies that of being an Eclectic Christian. Emphasis has been added by Eclectic Christian for the purpose of clarity. (Thanks to Michael Spencer for pointing out this article.)

Being in ministry—being in theological ministry—the passions run high. You are going to say some wrong things and you are going to have some wrong things said about you. Such is ministry. One needs to develop some thick skin if they seek to surf these waters.

As a consequence of being misunderstood, you get mislabeled. One label that has been recently tapped on my back with red crayon is “minimalist.” What does that mean to be a minimalist?

Minimalist

One who sees Christianity as a system of belief that only recognizes the least common denominator. In other words, let’s just find out what all those who call themselves Christian believe and say that this is true Christianity and then let’s not talk about anything else. Talking about what divides, well . . . divides. And division is bad, bad, and double bad. Therefore, let’s just all get along.

Many of those in Pop Evangelicalism, the Emerging Church, and the Emergent church take this perspective.

From the standpoint of those who call me a minimalist, I represent a branch of Evangelicalism that compromises truth for conciliation in the name of ecclesiastical unity.

Stepping back and looking at this criticism, I can see where it comes from. I understand how people would get this impression. I do tend to encourage people to focus on the things that unite. I do tend to plead with people about the danger of talking past each other. I am even sometimes critical of militant apologetic methods that seem to deepen chasms, hardening others in an apologetic position that only focuses on what they are against, thereby losing perspective. However, I would not classify myself as a minimalist.

Let me introduce some similar terms that will help get a grasp on this issue.

Maximalist

One who seeks unity only with those with whom there is maximal agreement. Any disagreement, no matter how small it is perceived to be, does not take away from its importance. All issues are equal, or at least close to it.

Roman Catholics, some Eastern Orthodox, and Fundamentalists would normally share this perspective.

Centrist

One who seeks unity by finding areas of compromise. Taking the dialectical method, opposing positions are rarely correct, but the truth is found in a compromised center.

Many in the Emergent and liberal Church share this perspective.

Centralist

One who starts with the center of Christianity and believes that it provides the anchor from which all other conversation will find its ground. A centralist is focused on the most important elements of the faith so that the other issues can be seen in light of the perspective it provides.

Most in the Historic Evangelical church, some emergers, and some Eastern Orthodox hold this perspective.

It is in this camp that I can be found roasting marshmallows.

What is the “center” of the faith?

The doctrine of the Scripture? The doctrine of truth? Helping those in need? Social action? No. None of these in my opinion are the center of the faith. The center of our faith is Christ. If you want to say “the doctrine of Christ,” that is good as well. It is the person and work of Christ that is the center of Christianity. “Who do men say that I am?” is the most important theological question there is. If you get this wrong, all else will not only come undone, but it will be meaningless. If you get this right, there is a foundational unifying factor that we must recognize and in light of which all other issue must find their place.

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Telling the Stories that Matter

Jul 20, 2008

Josh HearneHere is a new blog, Telling the Stories that Matter, by Josh Hearne, a Baptist Pastor in Danville, Virginia. It is brand new, with just a few entries, but Josh shows himself to be a very capable story teller, with a strong sense of Church history. I look forward to what he will write over the next few weeks.


Another Challenge for Bloggers – A Pastor’s Heart Cry

Jul 15, 2008

Anyone who has been reading Eclectic Christian for a while would have noted that generally I try to keep things positive. I have written several posts on the topic of the need to get along better in the Christian Church. You can read them here under the category Eclectic Christian.

While reading at jesusshaped.wordpress.com I came across the following comment from a “Pastor Tim”, please read it, take it to heart, and use it to shape the way you write your blogs. (UPDATE: While I generally agree with Pastor Tim in this post, I think he was a off target in addressing it to Michael Spencer who I have generally found to be very encouraging.)

Heavy sigh.

Maybe I’m being a big baby, but I am in need of a little encouragement right now and thought that this site might be a good place to find some. It often is. Very briefly, here’s the background:

I’ve been a pastor now for 16 years, and it has been a tremendous experience. The journey has been exciting, even if quite difficult at times. I have seen God at work on a regular basis, and I have also seen the enemy at work. I have been both supremely blessed and severely disappointed. I have often experienced the power and presence of God in my life and ministry, and I have also gone through some dry spells on occasion. Ministry for me has been, to borrow a phrase from Dickens, “the best of times and the worst of times.” And through it all, God has been faithful. I wouldn’t trade this life and calling for anything in the world. I love the Lord, and I love his church.

One thing that I have never been able to accept, however, is the inordinate amount of sarcasm, derision, criticism, acrimony, insult, and denigration that the universal church seems to receive on a regular basis—not only from scoundrels outside the fold, like Hitchens and company, but even more so from the acid-tongued believers within the gates who seem to equate harshness with holiness, vitriol with valor, and stridence with instruction. Pastors are especially subject to the pain of incessant and unbridled criticism for the jobs we do—or don’t do—and how we’re leading our congregations to hell in a hand basket. We seem to have more church experts on the sidelines evaluating our work than church members in the trenches doing the work. Do I need to spell out how dispiriting that can be?

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A Challenge to Fellow Bloggers – Focus on the Positive

Jul 2, 2008

Although I am fairly new to blogging (four month), I have been doing it long enough to see some disturbing patterns. The pattern that gives me the most concern is the tendency to criticize others theology or practice of faith.

In just the last few weeks I have had my somewhat baptistic view of communion called “inadequate” and “profane”. I have had my preferred style of worship (contemporary) referred to as “happy-clappy”, “Jesus-is-my-boyfriend”, and described as “Christian pornography” (because of its experiential nature.)

The other disturbing aspect of this trend was how many people were willing to support this type of blogging. I found several links to the “worship equals Christian pornography” posting, many of whom had made the title more explicit and labeled as a “must read”.

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12th Festival of Christian Reconciliation – Now posted

Jun 29, 2008

CarnivalThe 12th Festival of Christian Reconciliation is now live with some really interesting posts. I am excited that there are Christians out there actively working to break down the walls between us.


Christian Reconciliation

Jun 11, 2008

CarnivalOne of most positive things that Eclectic Christian has seen on the net has been bloggers working together to promote Christian Reconciliation. Over the past year and a half there have been eleven “Christian Reconciliation Carnivals” that have had submissions from bloggers promoting various ways that Christians can understand each other better.

A call has just been made to request submissions for the 12th festival. The topic of the month is along the lines of “discerning the source of division”.

Here are the rules and regulations for making a submission.

Each “carnival” has general interest submissions, carnival topic submissions, questions and answers, as well as respectful debates about various issues. Here is a listing of the past carnivals along with the primary carnival topic.

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Why I am an Eclectic Christian – Guest Blog

Jun 7, 2008

The following post is by guest blogger Mitch Sylvia, easily the most Eclectic Christian I know:

One of the great failings of the Christian Church has been its inability to achieve unity. By Christian unity I do not mean cookie-cutter Christianity where we all think alike and share the same opinions about everything. There will always be room for differences of opinion on secondary issues. By secondary issues I refer to those matters that lay outside the core doctrines of the Christian faith.

In a previous post, my friend Michael Bell has referred to the Apostles’ Creed and the Nicene Creed as a framework for defining essential Christian doctrine. As these documents attest, the Christian faith is a doctrinal faith – certain beliefs must be affirmed if one is to genuinely be called a Christian. As these creeds affirm; there are many things which unite us as Christians.

My own Christian journey has been extremely eclectic and focused on the beliefs which unite the Body of Christ. This is why I have been asked to write a guest post to chronicle a bit of my spiritual journey. Read the rest of this entry »


The Eclectic Church

Jun 4, 2008

By Michael Bell and Peter Heath

Michael Spencer over at jesusshaped.wordpress.com laments about the division within the church. He writes:

Most of what we call churches behave as if they are the true church finally arrived, and the guy three doors down is someone getting it all or mostly wrong. Evangelicals reinvent the faith and the church every time they get bored. In the proliferation of churches in small communities in my part of the world, the differences are primarily stylistic, not substantial.

The comments to the post show that this is a frustration that is shared by many.

I had been meaning to write about this topic for some time, but from the other side of the coin, because as an Eclectic Christian I am interested in ways that believers and churches can work together.

In the heart of the Muslim world lies a very unique church. Here is a recent article about the church from the outside perspective of the Gulf News.

Evangelical Community Church of Abu Dhabi

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Can’t we all just get along?

Jun 4, 2008

Fisher HumphreysDarrell Pursiful wrote a recent post commenting that Fisher Humphreys (pictured at left) is one of his favorite Baptist theologians. He provided an extract of an interview with Humphreys from the June 2008 issue of Baptists Today, where Humphreys discussed the importance of getting along with Christians who believe differently:

I believe that this is a topic of interest to eclectic minded Christians, so with Darrell’s permission I have reproduced the rest of his post below:

BT: Many people have expressed appreciation for the way you address controversial subjects such as Calvinism and Fundamentalism without fanning the flames of controversy. How have you been able to do that?

FH: I have been helped by the example of several people whom I’ve known well, some in person and some through books. The theologian who helped me most in his books was Leonard Hodgson, an Anglican who was Regius Professor of Divinity at Oxford.

He pointed out that it is natural for us to assume that, when we believe something deeply and express it clearly, those who continue not to agree with us have either not understood us properly or are being stubborn in resisting what we said; in other words, we assume that those who disagree with us are either ignorant or evil. Read the rest of this entry »


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