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		<title>How my Parents broke the mold</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick, think of a stereotypical Evangelical.  What attributes come to mind? Here are some that you might have come up with. Anti-Union No Movies (for some) Lack of concern for the environment Driven by consumerism Homogeneous Complimentarian King James Version only (for some) Dispensational Young Earthers No Alcohol I used the word stereotypical, because, for [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=1521&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick, think of a stereotypical Evangelical.  What attributes come to mind?</p>
<p>Here are some that you might have come up with.</p>
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<li>Anti-Union</li>
<li>No Movies (for some)</li>
<li>Lack of concern for the environment</li>
<li>Driven by consumerism</li>
<li>Homogeneous</li>
<li>Complimentarian</li>
<li>King James Version only (for some)</li>
<li>Dispensational</li>
<li>Young Earthers</li>
<li>No Alcohol</li>
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<p>I used the word stereotypical, because, for many Evangelicals this list is not true at all. It is certainly not true of my parents. I put the list above in the order that I did, because it reflects a sequence of events in my parents life through which I learned that as an Evangelical there were alternatives to these beliefs. This weekend we are celebrating my Parents fifty years of life together. As I have reflected upon my life with them, I have been amazed at how much I have learned from them as they have broken through so many of the Evanglical stereotypes.</p>
<p>My great-grandfather on my father&#8217;s side of the family died when my grandfather was a young boy.  As a result my grandfather and great-aunt had to work in a linen mill. My grandfather was twelve at the time, and his sister was eight. She was so small that she had to stand on a box in order to reach the work table. This family history certainly had an impact on my father, and many years later, when I was criticizing a particular union action, my Dad reminded me that, &#8220;If it wasn&#8217;t for unions, we would still have kids working in the factories.&#8221;</p>
<p>In order to escape that life my great-grandmother started to manage a movie theatre, for which she was condemned by the church. As the church did not offer any alternatives she persisted with her new position. It is not surprising then that my parents did not take the hard stand against movies that some evangelicals did.</p>
<p>Our family has had a sense of Adventure.  My grandfather on my dad&#8217;s side of the family traveled the world with the Royal Navy.  While born in Northern Ireland, he met his wife in Barbados, before they moved to South Africa, Zambia, England and finally Canada.  On my mother&#8217;s side my grandfather trekked great distances across Africa on bicycle.  After marrying my grandmother they lived for a number of years in a very remote corner of Zambia.  While Evangelicals have never been known as being great stewards of the Environment, my parents experiences in Africa helped to install a love for the great outdoors in me from a very early age. They had both lived in fairly wild areas of Africa, and appreciated the great areas of wilderness in Canada that was so close to our home. My first wilderness canoe trip was at age three, and I have so many good memories of time spent together canoeing, camping, swimming, hiking, or picnicking in some of Canada&#8217;s open spaces. Forty-five years later I still enjoy taking my kids up to the area, and passing the teaching on to them.</p>
<p>When I was eleven my parents moved from Canada back to Africa where we lived for a number of years. We didn&#8217;t have a lot of money, and never bought into consumerism that is so so prevalent in North America.  My parents felt that giving their children different cultural experiences was more important that have nice things.  While they might be considered conservatives in Canada, in Africa they were definitely considered liberal both politically and theologically. Their willingness to cross racial barriers created a basis for me to do so even more so as I entered adulthood.</p>
<p>Four years later we moved back to Canada, and my mother returned to the part time job that she had held four years before. After a period of being assigned lousy shifts, and facing the prospects of even worse shifts, she decided to return to school, taking Business and Computers. After graduation, my parents broke the mold yet again when they moved to another community where my mother had been offered a good job. Again the tongues were wagging, as moving because of the &#8220;wife&#8217;s job&#8221; was unheard of in our church community. Decisions like that made it much easier for me to be egalitarian in my own marriage relationship.</p>
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<p>My grandfather on my mother&#8217;s side of the family finished his career as a Bible translator.  He typed through the Bible seven times on a manual typewriter, while translating it into Chibemba, one of the main languages of Zambia. His favourite English version was the Revised Standard Version. As I was growing up my parents always had a variety of translations at home, and never bought into the King James only idea.</p>
<p>Our church however was not only very conservative with a strong emphasis on the King James Version, but is was also very dispensational, with what seemed to be an obsession with the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture. My parents did not hold these views and they took a lot of flack for having a contrary position. At another church it was a similar conflict, but this time over young earth creationism.  I learned from them the value of independent thought, that scriptural interpretation wasn&#8217;t always black and white, and that I shouldn&#8217;t be afraid to challenge what I was taught.</p>
<p>When it came to some of the &#8220;vices&#8221; which were on the evangelical watch list, my parents were moderate conservatives. As mentioned above, we enjoyed a lot of different movies, and my parents had a very occasional glass of wine. I asked them why they drank so little, and remember my mom responding, &#8220;We have never really found any wine that we really like. We do like the taste of communion wine, but the Elders wouldn&#8217;t tell us what type it is!&#8221; .</p>
<p>Having been involved with Internet Monk for several years, I have come to realize that my parents have experienced what this site calls a post-evangelical wilderness. They are evangelical at heart, but don&#8217;t fit the evangelical mold.  Finding a church in which they feel at home has been difficult.  I find it interesting, but not surprising, that they are currently worshiping in a church that is similar to my own, somewhere in the nether world between the evangelical and mainline traditions.</p>
<p>Mum and Dad, congratulations on reaching your 50th anniversary.  I have learned so much from you from the nearly fifty years I have spent with you, and will continue to look to you for wisdom and guidance in the years to come.</p>
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		<title>American Patriotic Christianity: A Canadian Perspective</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Join the discussion I moderated at InternetMonk.com. Check it out, there are some very interesting comments. While you are at it don&#8217;t forget to read this thoughtful different perspective by Chris Robinson entitled Culture and Christianity as a Dual Citizen. Filed under: church life, Evangelical, Gospel<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=1433&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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		<title>Book Review:  Christians Are Hate-Filled Hypocrites&#8230; and Other Lies You&#8217;ve Been Told</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out my review of Sociologist Bradley Wright&#8217;s Book, &#8220;Christians Are Hate-Filled Hypocrites&#8230; and Other Lies You&#8217;ve Been Told&#8221; at InternetMonk.com. Filed under: books, church growth, church life, Evangelical, Gospel<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=1424&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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		<title>In Support of Open Membership</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 03:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This post was first published at internetmonk.com. Feel free to comment here or join the already extensive discussion at internetmonk.com. I find it difficult to belong. You would think it wouldn&#8217;t be that hard. I am a Christian who sees many positive things in many traditions. If feel quite comfortable in many types of church [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=1319&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
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<p>I find it difficult to belong. You would think it wouldn&#8217;t be that hard. I am a Christian who sees many positive things in many traditions.  If feel quite comfortable in many types of church settings.  I am however, in my core beliefs, an Evangelical. </p>
<p>The problem is that where I live, Evangelicals are in the minority. In my community of 27,000 there is one Evangelical church. I helped start it. It was a Pentecostal church, and although I am not Pentecostal I figured that having one Evangelical church in town was better than having no Evangelical church, and so I offered my help. </p>
<p>My wife and I served under two Pastors there. We led worship, served on the leadership team, served on the pastoral search committee, taught Sunday School, and organized outreaches and banquets. All the while I was dreading the time when the church would become large enough to receive its &#8220;organized&#8221; status. For when the church received this status, membership would have to be formalized. We didn&#8217;t qualify. Membership required agreement to the statement of faith, and we didn&#8217;t believe the Pentecostal teaching on tongues.</p>
<p>Eventually we felt God calling us away from this church community, and we had a very amicable parting of the ways. We ended up at a church in another community, which unfortunately due to competing visions within it&#8217;s elder&#8217;s board, ending up closing its doors three years later. As we looked at other churches, most had something in their statement of faith, that excluded us. They were either too Calvinist, or too dispensational, or too anti-Charismatic for us to fit.</p>
<p>After a long search we found a church in a third community. We quite love it, and I have some <A href="http://eclecticchristian.com/2009/06/19/my-church-isnt-perfect-but/">very good things to say about it</A>. Again, we didn&#8217;t qualify for membership, this time because my wife&#8217;s mode of baptism differed slightly from theirs. Although we do not believe in rebaptism (especially for those who have already been baptized as believers), our desire to belong eventually became stronger that our distaste for rebaptism and my wife was rebaptized. We became members shortly afterwards.</p>
<p>Are there others like me who have difficulty belonging? Conversations with people at places like Internetmonk.com make me think that my experience is hardly unique. So here are some questions I would like us to consider:</p>
<p>1. Does requiring agreement with a statement of faith lead to increased fragmentation within the body of Christ?</p>
<p>2.  Or are there essentials that need to be agreed upon no matter what in order for someone to be accepted as a member?</p>
<p>3. If Christ has accepted me as a member of his body, are there ways to make it easier for me to be accepted into a local church body?</p>
<p>4. Could we lessen the requirement of membership in many evangelical churches, so that prospective members do not have to give complete agreement to a statement of faith, but instead will agree to uphold it and not teach contrary to it?</p>
<p>5.  Are there similar situations in other faith traditions?  If so, are there resolution that have been seen to work?</p>
<p>6.  Finally, what could you do in your church to help people in my situation become part of your congregation and membership?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with a church having a statement of faith.  I feel it is a good tool to say &#8220;this is what we are about as a church.&#8221;  Is it not possible to say that &#8220;We welcome those who have slightly differing viewpoints&#8221; as long as they agree to uphold and abide by the statement of faith&#8221;?</p>
<p>Your thoughts and comments are welcome.</p>
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		<title>Mourning the passing of a friend</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 15:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was my birthday yesterday, April 5th. Easter Monday. It will be a day that I will now forever remember for two reasons, for my friend Michael Spencer, also passed away today. I mourn for a friend, whose passing will leave a hole in my life, but I grieve much more for those he has [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=1285&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was my birthday yesterday, April 5th.  Easter Monday.  It will be a day that I will now forever remember for two reasons, for my friend Michael Spencer, also passed away today.  I mourn for a friend, whose passing will leave a hole in my life, but I grieve much more for those he has left behind, who have lost a husband, father, and pastor/shepherd.  He has been a pastor/shepherd to so many of us, leading us through the &#8220;Evangelical Wilderness.&#8221;  His blog, www.internetmonk.com, was a home for so many who struggled in their own church home, or who struggled even to find a church home.</p>
<p>Michael had been blogging for 10 years, long before most of us knew that there was such a thing as blogging.  Yet, it seemed that he was just starting to come into his prime, where the rest of the world was just starting to discover the incredible writing gift that God had given him.  Reading Michael&#8217;s blog has been one of the first things that I would do every morning for the past three years.  I rejoiced that I had found another kindred spirit who understood me, placed a priority on many of the same that were important to me, and stuggled with many of the same issues with which I struggled.  Not only that, but he gave voice to a community of people, who had concerns with what they saw in the church, but who&#8217;s voice was not being heard.  </p>
<p>As I read Michael each morning, my jaw would often drop with the profoundness of what was written, and I would marvel at the gift that God had given this remarkable individual.  I would often exclaim to my wife, &#8220;How does he come up with such incredible material day after day after day!&#8221;  Michael loved baseball, and to use a baseball analogy, it was like he had an on base average of .900, swatting 100+ home runs a season.</p>
<p>But first and foremost, Michael was about the Gospel, the Good News of Jesus Christ.  This was what was closest to his heart, and what drew me to him.  His concern was that in all the many things that the church was doing, the gospel was being obscured.  This was his greatest concern, and to what he paid the most attention in his writing.   He regretted that so many people got the wrong idea from the &#8220;Coming Evangelical Collapse&#8221;, that more than anything it was a call to action, a call to return to the first love of the good news that God has given us.</p>
<p>So, while horribly sad, it seems somewhat appropriate that Easter would be the time when God would call him home.  For Easter is a time of good news, and Michael&#8217;s life was all about proclaiming this good news of Jesus Christ.  This was his unceasing focus, and one that he maintained until the very end.</p>
<p>I echo the words of the Apostle Paul:</p>
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I thank my God every time I remember you. In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus. &#8211; Philippians 1: 3-6
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<p>In the words of Jesus Christ:  &#8220;Well done, my good and faithful servant.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>The Coming Evangelical Collapse &#8211; A Statistical Support &#8211; Part 2.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Michael Bell As I was time limited when taking my first statistical look at &#8220;The Coming Evangelical Collapse&#8220;, I wanted to follow up with a few more observations about some of Michael Spencer&#8217;s statements: 1. Denominations will shrink, even vanish. Much to my surprise, the decline in evangelicals in the U.S. has already begun. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=872&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://eclecticchristian.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/survey.gif?w=450" alt="survey" title="survey"   class="alignleft size-full wp-image-865" />By Michael Bell</p>
<p>As I was time limited when taking <a href="http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-coming-evangelical-collapse-a-statistical-review-by-michael-bell">my first statistical look</a> at &#8220;<a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0310/p09s01-coop.html">The Coming Evangelical Collapse</a>&#8220;, I wanted to follow up with a few more observations about some of Michael Spencer&#8217;s statements:</p>
<p><strong>1.  Denominations will shrink, even vanish.</strong></p>
<p><a href="http://eclecticchristian.com/2008/11/20/the-decline-of-american-evangelicals/">Much to my surprise</a>, the decline in evangelicals in the U.S. has already begun.  The Association of Religious Data Archives (ARDA) lets you <a href="http://www.thearda.com/demographicmap/displayRCMSmap.asp?ZipCode=">generate maps</a> to visibly see the changes.  The maps shown here show the difference in Evangelicals between 1990 and 2000.  Note how the colors have lightened over 10 years, particularly in the south-east.</p>
<p><img class="size-full wp-image-384" title="usevangelicals1990" src="http://eclecticchristian.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/usevangelicals1990.jpg?w=500&amp;h=266" alt="U.S. Evangelicals 1990" width="500" height="266" /><br />
<img class="size-full wp-image-385" title="usevangelicals2000" src="http://eclecticchristian.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/usevangelicals2000.jpg?w=500&amp;h=266" alt="U.S. Evangelicals 2000" width="500" height="266" /></p>
<p>You can visit the <a href="http://www.thearda.com/demographicmap/displayRCMSmap.asp?ZipCode=">ARDA site</a> to create your own maps on a national, regional, and/or denominational level.</p>
<p>When we look at the <a href="http://b27.cc.trincoll.edu/weblogs/AmericanReligionSurvey-ARIS/reports/part2_demo.html">age composition of churches</a> in the data from the American Religious Identity Survey (ARIS), it is clear that those who will be impacted the most will be those denominations who call themselves Baptist.  The most significant growth is coming from those Christians who say they have no denominational affiliation.  Two thirds of these are under the age of fifty.  It is clear from the data that there is and will be a move away from denominational identification.</p>
<p><strong>2.  Fewer and fewer evangelical churches will survive and thrive.</strong><br />
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According to the <a href="http://www.soc.duke.edu/natcong/comparison.html">National Congregations Study</a> 50% of churches in the U.S. now (2006-2007) have a congregation fewer than 75 on a Sunday morning.  This is down from a median of 80 in 1998.  While these figures are for all churches, and not just evangelical ones, the <a href="http://en.outreach.ca/Portals/2/Research/Church%20Size%20Report.pdf">data from Canada</a> shows that Evangelical Churches have similar attendance ratios to all Protestant churches.  The issue is that as Evangelical churches go through the generational horizon that we see is about to happen from the <a href="http://www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/">ARIS Data</a>, those churches will become less and less viable. </strong></p>
<p>I read a study a number of years ago that showed that when a church hired a second (associate) pastor, that the related increase in attendance and its accompanying tithing paid for the second pastor on average within 18 months.  (I was graduating from seminary at the time, and tried to use the study to get churches to hire me.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  )  The converse is also true.  Once a church starts a slide and is forced to lay off pastoral staff, or go to part-time or lay pastors, it is an extremely hard trend to reverse.  Churches are going to have to make some difficult decisions, and for some it is going to mean closing their doors.</p>
<p><strong>3.  Two of the beneficiaries will be the Roman Catholic and Orthodox communions</strong></p>
<p>According to the ARIS report, Catholics have grown by 24% between 1990 and the present day.  This growth was very regionalized and fueled by immigration as the following quotation shows:</p>
<blockquote><p>Catholic numbers and percentages rose in many states in the South and West mainly due to immigration from Latin America. Catholics increased their share in California and Texas to about one-third of the adult population and in Florida to over one-fourth. In terms of numbers they gained about 8 million adherents in these three states in the past two decades. At the same time the proportion of Catholics was eroded in other parts of the country, mainly in the Northeast Region, where Catholic adherents fell from 43 percent to 36 percent of the adult population. New England had a net loss of one million Catholics. Big losses in both the number of Catholic adherents and their proportion occurred also in Massachusetts, and in Rhode Island, the nation’s most heavily Catholic state where the proportion of Catholics dropped from 62 percent to 46 percent. New York state lost 800,000 Catholics and they dropped from 44% to 37% of the adult population.
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<p>The age composition of the Catholic church is virtually identical to the general population meaning that they are not facing a generational horizon.  So the Catholics will benefit from the Evangelical collapse in that they should have stable numbers over the next decade and will become a larger proportion of the Christian community, and thus will have a larger voice from within that community.  (Please do not get into arguments over the definition of Christian here, as it is really tangential to the purpose of the post.)</p>
<p>The question of whether they will be beneficiaries of the evangelical collapse numerically would still be open to debate.  The previous ARIS study of 2001 as reported at <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_prac2.htm">ReligiousTolerance.org</a> showed that in the dynamic movement of individuals in and out and between denominations, Catholics lost twice as many adherents as they gained.  Unfortunately the question that generated this data was not asked during the current ARIS study, so we do not know if this number has changed.</p>
<p>Orthodox Christians still represent a tiny percentage of overall Christians in the U.S., but the data that has been supplied by ARDA shows some significant growth.</p>
<p><strong>4.  Charismatic-Pentecostal Christianity will become the majority report in evangelicalism</strong></p>
<p>According to ARIS, Pentecostals / Charismatics have grown from 5,647,000 to 7,948,000 over the last 18 years, an increase of 41%.  Their growth however has slowed somewhat over the last 7 years and they too are facing a generational horizon.  Their horizon however, is not as bad as the Baptists.  Numerically they will be hard pressed to be the most significant group in the Evangelical American world in forty years, but they will certainly be much stronger in relation to groups like the Baptists than they are today.</p>
<p>In one sense however, they are already the majority report, and that is in the area of worship.  While I do not have the numbers for this, I am sure that most readers have seen that the vast majority of churches in the U.S. have adopted a more &#8220;charismatic/contemporary&#8221; style of worship.  These days you would be hard pressed to differentiate the worship style between many Baptist and Pentecostal churches.</p>
<p><strong>5.  Evangelicalism needs a &#8220;rescue mission&#8221; from the world Christian community.</strong></p>
<p>Michael is not alone in this thought.  Consider some of these thoughts and statistics as compiled by the <a href="http://www.navigators.org/us/staff/scalabrin/items/Domestic%20Missionaries%20Greatly%20Needed!">Navigators</a> organization.</p>
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According to George Barna:  &#8220;With its 195 million unchurched people, America has become the new mission field. America has more unchurched people than the entire populations of all but 11 of the world&#8217;s 194 nations.&#8221;*</p>
<p>According to Lost in America, by Tom Clegg and Warren Bird, 2001:  &#8220;The unchurched population in the United States is so extensive that, were it a nation, it would be the fifth-largest on the planet. . . . Researchers and analysts describe North America as the world&#8217;s third-largest mission field.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to Os Guiness, in World Evangelization, Vol. 18, No 65, 1993:  &#8220;The three strongest national challenges to the Gospel in the modern world are Japan, Western Europe, and the United States.&#8221;</p>
<p>According to George Gallup in 1997, only ten years ago:  &#8220;More than 44% of American adults 18 and over are unchurched; 120 million Americans have no substantial Christian memory.&#8221;</p>
<p>Barna affirms Gallup. Consider:  &#8220;America&#8217;s secularization has gone from only 15% in the 1950s up to 40% in 2001; and headed for 60% percent by 2010!&#8221;  (Secularization means basing the decisions of one&#8217;s life on a secular humanist, relativist moral world view. Judeo-Christian values and the Bible are no longer the moral foundation of decision making in life for the vast majority of Americans.)</p>
<p>According to America: An Emerging Mission Field in World Christian Encyclopedia, Second Edition p.27:  &#8220;In 2000, the United States sent out 118,200 missionaries, but it also received 33,200. Ironically, the world&#8217;s largest missionary-sending country has now become the world&#8217;s largest missionary-receiving country.&#8221; Not to mention:</p>
<p>          o The world&#8217;s largest Buddhist temple is located in Boulder, CO, USA!<br />
          o The world&#8217;s largest Muslim training center is in New York City, USA!<br />
          o The world&#8217;s largest training center for transcendental meditation is in Fairfield, Iowa, USA!</p>
<p>      According to Leighthon Ford, evangelist and Christian leader, &#8220;North America is now the largest mission field in the English-speaking world&#8221; (Cities&#8217; and surrounding areas&#8217; concentrated populations make them obvious targets for sharing the Gospel).</p>
<p>      The number of churches in Chicago has decreased by 900 in the last 10 years! In many cases what were once churches are now condominiums.
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<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>I wrote these two posts in support of Michael, not because I, nor he for that matter, take any joy in what is going on.  I hope that these can help serve as a wake up call to the Evangelical community that the status quo position is not a viable one.  Many have asked where is the role of God and the Holy Spirit in all of this?  Well I for one see this as a wake up call to pray, and to seek God&#8217;s direction and guidance in all of this.  We believe in the good news of Jesus Christ and we want to see his name continued to be honored and lifted up.</p>
<p>Your thoughts and comments are welcome.</p>
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		<title>An Ideal Evangelicalism?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Michael Spencer (iMonk) Moderators note:  Michael has graciously allowed us to repost this article at Eclectic Christian. Somewhere in the previous orgy of comments I’ve had this week, someone asked me to write about “What do you see as the ideal evangelicalism?” There is no ideal evangelicalism and there’s not going to be. It’s [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=443&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By <a href="http://internetmonk.com" target="_self">Michael Spencer</a> (iMonk)</p>
<p><em>Moderators note:  Michael has graciously allowed us to repost this article at Eclectic Christian.</em></p>
<p>Somewhere in the previous orgy of comments I’ve had this week, someone asked me to write about “What do you see as the ideal evangelicalism?”</p>
<p>There is no ideal evangelicalism and there’s not going to be. It’s certainly not going to be ideal if I am the architect. So let’s not get out of hand here. I’m a blogger, which tells you about all you need to know on the subject of my credibility.</p>
<p>But that won’t stop me from answering the question in a slightly different form: “What would make for a much better evangelicalism?”</p>
<p>I promise the answers are going to be short.</p>
<p><span id="more-443"></span>1) Evangelicalism would be much better if it would admit that the Reformation and all subsequent divisions divided the one true church of Christ. None of those divisions created a new church or recreated the one, true church. All of Christianity today is the broken parts of what should be whole and entire.</p>
<p>2) Evangelicalism would be much better if it learned to see its own destructive, polluting entanglement in culture instead of trying to justify that entanglement as evangelism. Evangelicals have to live in culture, and I believe we should influence it, discern it and build admirable contributions to it, but the most essential attitude we should have toward it is to avoid the destructive, parasitic entanglements with culture that have sucked the life, power and distinctiveness from evangelicalism, especially in North America.</p>
<p>3) Evangelicalism would be better if it would admit and address its authority issue. Evangelicalism consists, to a large extent, of groups and individuals waving Bibles and shouting verses at one another. Evangelicals use terms like “Biblical Christianity” as if they could actually produce such a thing if asked. The assumption that our views are “based on the Bible” has produced a cacophony of contradictory, divisive and endless claims, counter-claims and wars. The evolution of evangelicalism seems destined to be toward the opposite poles of abandoning the concept of authority completely to the individual (usually the charismatic pastor) or creating an authoritarian hothouse where complete submission is obligatory to avoid exile or worse. Evangelicals have an authority problem. They will quite possibly never solve it as evangelicals, but they can make the situation considerably better by directly addressing the problems created in Protestantism and evangelicalism by our various approaches to authority and implementing serious measures to bring some coherence to the situation.</p>
<p>4) Evangelicalism would be better if it rid itself of every form of the prosperity Gospel and pursued spiritual formation and an imitation of Jesus that was consistent with what Jesus and the New Testament teach about money.</p>
<p>5) Evangelicalism would be better if it learned to see, in the various divisions of Christianity, the remaining diversity that once adorned the united church: liturgy, missions, evangelism, spiritual formation, theology, Biblical study, the work of the Holy Spirit, the power of the sacraments. Even if these divisions cannot be overcome, the visible remains of the once glorious body of Christ can still be seen and experienced, even in our broken condition. Evangelicalism should determine, like Merton said, to bring together in itself as many different aspects of the holistic church of Jesus as possible. As someone recently said, we are in a time when the basis of Christianity is being eroded in masse, yet we are still debating the issues of the 16th century divisions and ignoring how irrelevant these are to the world at large. I affirm with my own denomination the need for a Great Commission Resurgence, and it must encompass all Christian traditions, but especially evangelicalism.</p>
<p>6) Evangelicalism would be better if thousands of churches die and many thousands more are born via healthy church planting relationships.</p>
<p>7) Evangelicalism would be better if it brought out all of its riches of corporate worship and put them on display, rather than throwing out what seems old, selling out what seems out of fashion and denouncing what isn’t popular. Evangelicals have in the more ancient, broader, deeper, wider Christian tradition all those aspects and elements of worship that can not only end the worship wars, but bring the focus of worship clearly onto Christ being exalted in all things. Evangelicals are starving by the millions for Christ focused worship and gospel dominated spirituality, but at this crucial hour, we are determined to be trendy, innovative and to get more cars in the parking lot. A sad betrayal of all we know for the wisdom of the world. We’ll be very sorry in 20 years.</p>
<p>8. Evangelicals would be much better off if, as a movement, they had a common set of confessional/creedal/catechetical documents. Further, evangelicalism would be much better if it recognized a shared ordained ministry.</p>
<p>9) Evangelicals would be be much better off it they were poor and had to proceed, in every way, without the assumption that they can easily generate millions of dollars to do whatever they want to do. We need to embrace poverty for the sake of Christ, and repent of our idolatry of all things big, successful, wealthy and powerful. In the midst of this, we should repent of and renounce our dreams of political influence.</p>
<p>10) Evangelicals would be much better off if the Charismatic movement were to become a manistream part of every church, renewing and being renewed; giving and being nurtured itself. Christianity is not the dead, dry, dusty movement most of us see. It is alive with power and emotion; with human and divine energy. We should desire the full manifestation of the Holy Spirit and the continual empowering, freeing, healing, humbling work of the Spirit. Charismatic Christianity needs a Biblical/theological rescue, but mainstream evangelicalism desperately needs the spiritual movement that is at the heart of healthy third-wave and charismatic movements.</p>
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		<title>Distractions from the Gospel &#8211; Part 2: Politics and The Culture War</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 22:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Michael Bell Introduction Part 1: Busyness Part 2: Politics and the Culture War Over the last several weeks I have been thinking about things that distract us from the Gospel. The issue of Politics and the Culture War has to be one of the most significant. To state the issue briefly, Evangelical Christians in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=403&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Michael Bell</p>
<p><a href="http://eclecticchristian.com/2008/11/16/distractions-from-the-gospel-introduction/">Introduction</a></p>
<p><a href="http://eclecticchristian.com/2008/11/18/distractions-from-the-gospel-part-1-busyness/">Part 1: Busyness</a><br />
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Part 2:  Politics and the Culture War<br />
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Over the last several weeks I have been thinking about things that distract us from the Gospel.  The issue of Politics and the Culture War has to be one of the most significant.  To state the issue briefly, Evangelical Christians in the United States have been very concerned with trying to determine who is going to be the political party in power.  This is as result of two things, the Republican Party co-opting the religious right by preying on their fears of a homosexual focused, or pro-choice agenda coming from the Democratic Party, along with Evangelical Christians having general concerns about these things and so looking to support a party that shares their concerns.</p>
<p>As a result, Christians have put a lot of effort into pro-life agendas.  What Christians may fail to realize is that other than education, there are at least three things that will lower the abortion rate:
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<li><strong>Legislation</strong> &#8211; When abortions became legal the rate went way up.  Reintroducing legislation is part of the Republican/Evangelical agenda.</li>
<li><strong>Improving economic conditions</strong> &#8211; A one percent drop in the unemployment rate roughly translates into an six percent drop in the number of abortions. (I determined this by charting US Abortion ratios against Unemployment statistics from the period of 1982 to 2004 and then displaying as a scatter graph with a best fit line.)  This is the Democratic way forward as proposed by Obama and Tony Campolo.</li>
<li><strong>Transforming lives through the power of the Gospel</strong>.  What I find interesting is that I don&#8217;t find Christians talking a lot about this item.  If we believe in the power of God to transform lives then wouldn&#8217;t we expect the abortion rate to go down as people made genuine commitments to follow Christ?
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<p>Now I realize that we could have a discussion about abortion rates between Christians and non-Christians and reasons for the similarities or differences, but I don&#8217;t want to go here with this post.  All I want to point out is that we have been so concerned with Politics and the Culture War that we have lost our focus on Christ.  Jesus did not come to elect political parties, Jesus came to transform lives.</p>
<p>Up in Canada, the political scene is quite different.  Politicians are extremely private about their faith.  Up until 2004 Evangelical Christians were pretty much split between two Political parties, the Conservations (48%) and the Liberals (42%).  In the 2006 election, their was a swing by Canadians in general towards the Conservative party, reinforced by a strong move in the Evangelical community.  However, as our Evangelical community is much smaller percentage wise than in the United States, and because Canadian Evangelicals tend to be on the left of American Evangelicals, we have not seen the culture war up here near to the extent that you have in the United States.  Instead Canadian Churches have been able to focus on other things, among them  church planting and evangelism.</p>
<p>What has been the result?  As I have pointed out in <a href="http://eclecticchristian.com/2008/11/20/the-decline-of-american-evangelicals/">previous posts</a>, while the American Evangelical church has been declining, the Canadian Evangelical Church has shown significant growth over the past twenty years.  There are certainly other factors, but I would propose that not being distracted as much by Politics and the Culture War has been a major reason leading to the relative growth of Evangelicals in Canada.<br />
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Postscript:  If you would like to read more about the political differences between Canada and the United States and how that impacts on matters of faith, I have found that the blog &#8220;<a href="http://dennisgruending.ca/pulpitandpolitics/?p=108">Pulpit and Politics</a>&#8221; by Dennis Gruending, is very good at exploring these differences in depth.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[By Michael Bell I must admit I am quite embarrassed. I had done a couple of studies looking at the growth or decline in Evangelicals in North America. In one, I had great numbers showing the growth of Evangelicals in Canada from 1980-2000. In another I showed the growth of the Christian and Missionary Alliance [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=382&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Michael Bell</p>
<p>I must admit I am quite embarrassed.  I had done a couple of studies looking at the growth or decline in Evangelicals in North America.  In one, I had great numbers showing the <a href="http://eclecticchristian.com/2008/06/26/southern-baptists-in-decline-where-will-it-end/">growth of Evangelicals in Canada</a> from 1980-2000.  In another I showed the growth of the Christian and Missionary Alliance in the U.S and talked about a <a href="http://eclecticchristian.com/2008/07/04/a-tool-for-measuring-church-growth/">great tool</a> for measuring numerical denominational growth.</p>
<p>I think it was the strong performance of the Evangelicals in Canada that made me discount many of the recent anecdotal stories of people leaving the church. So I blogged on that assumption, trying to put a positive spin on situation saying that people were replacing the leavers just as fast as they were leaving, and that the situation was not as bad as people were making out.  To reinforce my thinking in the subject, no one was challenging me with any real statistical data.  So I continued on repeating my views all over the blogosphere.</p>
<p><div id="attachment_383" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 144px"><a href="http://eclecticchristian.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/usevangelicalslegend.jpg"><img class="size-full wp-image-383" title="usevangelicalslegend" src="http://eclecticchristian.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/usevangelicalslegend.jpg?w=450" alt="U.S. Evangelicals Legend"   /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">U.S. Evangelicals Legend</p></div><br />
Today I thought I should take another look at the tool that I had mentioned previously.  This time instead of looking at individual denominations, I looked at Evangelical Protestants as whole.  I was quite shocked by what I saw.  When I compared Evangelical Protestants in 1990 with Evangelical Protestants in 2000, I saw quite a significant decline.  The differences, especially in the South East are quite stunning.  The legend at the right shows that as a color lightens, the number of evangelicals in a region goes down.  As you can see there is a significant lightening across a broad section of the country.</p>
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<p>In my next blog post I will try to look a little bit more at what this means, and how this trend might be able to be reversed.  A question for our readers:  What do you think has been causing this decline?  I will respond to your comments on the weekend.</p>
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		<title>Election Issues from an Evangelical perspective.</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Without taking sides, the Evangelical Fellowship of Canada recently posted a list of 10 key issues that Christians should consider when voting in the upcoming election.  Each topic has a background paper along with relevant questions to ask.  While this list of issues is aimed at Canadian voters, Americans would find them relevant to their [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=eclecticchristian.com&#038;blog=3783877&#038;post=229&#038;subd=eclecticchristian&#038;ref=&#038;feed=1" width="1" height="1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without taking sides, the <a title="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca" href="http://" target="_blank">Evangelical Fellowship of Canada</a> recently posted a list of 10 key issues that Christians should consider when voting in the upcoming election.  Each topic has a background paper along with relevant questions to ask.  While this list of issues is aimed at Canadian voters, Americans would find them relevant to their election as well.</p>
<p>I have provided a sample below of what the EFC has provided us.  The rest of the articles can be accessed by clicking on one of the links provided below</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>EFC Election Kit 2008: Fact Sheet on The Environment</strong></p>
<p><strong>Protecting the Planet</strong></p>
<p>God’s love and care for creation is evident throughout the Scriptures. It is also clear that God delights in His entire creation, not just the parts relevant or useful to people. All things in heaven and on earth, spiritual and physical, are His handiwork. Humans were not created separate from the physical creation. Rather, we are part of it. We were created by God along with all the other things and living creatures, and God created humankind to be stewards of His creation. Individually and collectively, we are accountable to God for what we do with and on this earth.</p>
<p><strong>Questions to ask on this issue:</strong></p>
<ul>
<li>What measures do you propose to protect the environment in Canada and to ensure Canada does its part to protect the environment globally?</li>
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<p>Here are the issues in alphabetical order.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6096">The Environment </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6095">Family Integrity</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6094">Freedom of Religion in Canada </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6108">Global Poverty Reduction </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6107">National Unity and Reconciliation</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6106">Poverty and Homelessness</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6105">Prostitution and Human Trafficking </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6104">Refugees </a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6103">Religious Freedom Internationally</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.evangelicalfellowship.ca/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=6102">Respect for Human Life</a></p>
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<p>Take a look at the issues.  Consider the questions?  How would your candidates respond?  Consider making a scorecard to help you determine your vote in the upcoming election.     What do you think?  Did you find this information helpful in determing your vote?</p>
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